I’ve wanted to try a Lorien Trust event for a long time. I’m involved in a lot of fest level stuff in the UK and it’s always felt a bit odd not to have been to any of their events. I couldn’t make sense of it from photos or from descriptions and over time I’ve met more and more people who play at LT and I wanted to see what it was about.
We didn’t turn up until nearly time in and when we did arrive we drove across a large site devoid of signs and found a carpark. We’d been aiming for the Harts but were the opposite side of the site near the dragons and had friends there so we pitched up with them and never quite made it across to our camp. I had an awesome weekend. It was a bit revealing in many ways and there were things I disagreed with, but I did have an awesome weekend.
The first major point is that to the people there visual immersion was just not as important as it is to the games I am normally involved in. Things are more token representations and that doesn’t matter. There are people with awesome costume. There was one person I saw wearing a t-shirt. More people wore masks on foreheads than otherwise and as the site was mostly vast open fields there were OOC tents visible everywhere. But largely the people playing the game didn’t seem to care.
The site had two fields of faction camps and a third field that had all the logistics in it. The third field was mostly empty which was utterly bizarre. There were fights there occasionally, but for most of the event it was a huge empty space in the middle of their game world. I know we were attending a smaller event but they could have camped two of the farthest flung camps in that field and it still wouldn’t have felt full. The bar faced onto the trading area and for that reason it felt quite cut off from the guilds. The guilds were in tents grouped together with very little space for people and no privacy at all. The game itself just didn’t feel like the same game I normally play.
We interacted very little with the plot and that was our choice. I can’t really comment on the plot of the way things actually worked, other than that fighting was the one thing I think they’re doing wrong at LT. I was wearing bright red. I have lovely bright red kit that I enjoy wearing. But I had no magic. These were the least enjoyable combat situations that I have ever been involved in. I could hit nothing. I could barely get near a fight before being hit by magic that everyone else seemed to be able to resist.
This also can’t be a fair review because I saw a lot of people I know OOC from other places and had a lot of OOC conversations. I didn’t play the game I just turned up and watched and we all know that turning up and watching isn’t a fair analysis of what’s going on at LRP. However, I saw enough to know that the game they’re playing isn’t the game I want to play and that I probably won’t be returning as a regular customer.
I can see why some people are confused by the things we do at Empire. Empire is a mix of people from different systems (Lorien Trust, Curious Pastimes and Maelstrom) who have come together to run a system, and for that reason it took a few years to settle into a routine. We do many things the CP way, a lot of the other staff have an LT background, and we’ve only recently settled into an Empire way that has elements of several systems and some stuff all of its own.
During the settling down process we’ve been repeatedly told that we can’t do things the way we do them. That things we’re proposing ‘won’t work’ despite them being things we’ve done for years with considerable success. It can be quite hard to let go of your own ideas of how things work, even (especially?) when faced by someone swearing blind it can only be done their way – which is very different to your own way.
So I went to an event. They did things differently from me. They seemed to have fun. I had fun – but not because of the game, Different people trying to do different things employ different methods, and this seems pretty self explanatory.
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Awesome time had but not why you had an awesome time? This appears to be a soapbox for why you do Empire – hardly a fair and representative article.
From what I can see, the only detractions of the game you have are from a visual aesthetic (OC camping, one t-shirt and masks being worn badly – which are reasonable comments) and large spaces used for large battles.
To counter this however, in my mind it seems you’d not prepared to go – maps of the site are available all over the place, how the system works is obviously key and asking folk what’s good and what’s not would likely have made a much better event.
To then not engage in some of the larger parts of the weekend such as plot, battles and remaining IC seems to suggest you were setting yourself up to fail from the outset. I would of course love to know what you did enjoy and also what you’ve taken away that’s positive.
Having brought many people into the hobby over the years, played many systems, been in magazine articles and the like, i’m interested to see both sides of the story – rather than just the negative.
Also – loo’s are better 😉
The toilets were the one really awful part of the event. I hate portaloos.
I don’t play Empire. I actually criticise it a lot here. In my mind Empire suffers a disproportionate amount of criticism because it’s the system I’m most involved in. It’s also not a system I would play. Fest wise I’d play Curious Pastimes. It’s the system I’ve liked best. As a general rule smaller systems suit me better.
There were fights when we were there, but no battles.
I did engage with the fights and did not get on with it. It was frustrating and due to the amount of power that was normal it was impossible to get stuck in as I normally would.
We didn’t engage in plot. We tried to poke some elements of the system and the story, but gave up fairly quickly. As you’ve noted this post is actually a clear list of why I’m not giving a fair review. It’s here because I’ve been asked by a lot of people what I thought, and I figured I could spell out why I couldn’t give a fair review in one place.
The other thing this does is highlight unexpected stylistic differences between what I’m normally involved in and the way LT is run. LT is such a different games in ways I entirely didn’t expect. There was a lot more tokenism. Things were set to represent a thing rather than to be as close a phys rep of the thing as they can manage. That seemed to be a deliberate choice and it allows the LT to work in a different way. With the games I run we’re constantly striving for better and better visuals. To suddenly discover that for a lot of people that’s just not a key thing with LRP – that was a shock. It’s an interesting mind flip and is one of the reasons it’s taken so long to get to posting the review.
I haven’t posted much that’s negative, because I wasn’t involved enough to get involved.
I would say that commenting that there were maps everywhere wasn’t helpful. There were maps. They told me I was at the opposite end of the site to where I needed to be. I thought “fuck it, this is my weekend playing this year” and camped with my friends. It was the right decision. If LT had asked me to come and review their event and that was specifically why I was there, then yes, I should have been there earlier and made my way to the correct camp. They didn’t, I didn’t. I had fun. 🙂
This isn’t a bad review. It’s pretty much not a review of the event at all. It’s a reason why I haven’t written a review.
If this one annoyed you then you’re going to hate next weeks. It gets a bit twee… It’s not about Empire though. Mentions CP a few times, and ZapFest.
At check-in, there are maps telling you exactly where each camp is on the site. If you’d asked when you checked in onto site, they’d have pointed you to the right place.
At check-in, there are maps telling you exactly where each camp is on the site. If you’d asked when you checked in onto site, they’d have pointed you to the right place.
Now. Visuals wise, where exactly do you suggest we put the OC camping? Players need to be able to camp near their IC faction, otherwise it causes problems when someone needs to fetch things or prepare food. In bad weather it’s especially important that people don’t get stuck in the situation where they can’t get something to eat without a 10 to 15 minute walk in the pouring rain, and thus skip eating whilst getting cold and/or wet.
The guy in the t-shirt and the masks on foreheads are
problems, but are you really saying you’ve never run into this at any other larp?
Your red kit seems a bit of a non-sequitor – I don’t get what relevance the colour of your kit has to the problem you had with the fights.
Not being able to affect some of the fights has been a problem this year, partially due to a series of plot coming to a climax at the final event. Hopefully we’re back to business as normal, and encounters being mostly normal again.
The main field is largely empty as there are potentially some very big fights possible – the end of the event tends to have most of the factions facing some large scale threat (whilst the other factions monster as that self same threat), and it’s also the normal place for any planned large faction on faction action to take place. In addition, having a reasonably large open area means that it’s actually reasonably risky to wander around on your own, especially at night…
The guilds generally face onto the set piece ritual circle, in an attempt to tie the guilds to the ongoing plots. It also brings the focus of the roleplay on the main field to a smaller locus, whilst allowing any large fights that do occur to spread out.
CP do put their ooc camping away from the ic area. It’s something people manage and deal with. We have a lot who cook IC. It works.
With maps. I found maps. I was just so far from where I was meant to be that I decided I’d be somewhere else 🙂
I have run into people with masks on heads at other systems. maybe one or two over the course of a weekend. Typically they get spoken to or ignored until they fix it.
Bright red kit makes you a target. I was easy to pick out as an individual so targeted more frequently.
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